tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post4143604978149719123..comments2024-03-18T03:10:30.572-07:00Comments on NwAvGuy: Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 ReviewNwAvGuyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00309644608738074125noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-6649561210663667332012-08-31T10:44:33.465-07:002012-08-31T10:44:33.465-07:00@Delerue, here is a table of the main parameters o...@Delerue, here is a table of the main parameters of the headphone outputs of most Xonar products from various sources. It is not complete, but maybe the information below is still useful:<br />- Xonar U3: 23.6 Ω (source: NwAvGuy article), DRV601 (not sure)<br />- Xonar DG/DGX: ~10 Ω, DRV601 (my guess based on photos of the board, may be incorrect)<br />- Xonar DS/DSX: unknown, NE5532/NJM5532<br /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-3085164069612651792012-08-04T00:37:44.192-07:002012-08-04T00:37:44.192-07:00Hey Nwavguy,
Thanks for the great review. Being ne...Hey Nwavguy,<br />Thanks for the great review. Being new to this, I am still lost on whether a Fiio e7 and e9 combo will benefit me (got a deal on this combo). I do not listen at loud levels and will be powering the DT770-80ohm to my PC with my onboard sound:<br /><br />Realtek<br />ALC898<br />Output Resolution (higher is better): 24bit<br />Max Sample Rate (higher is better): 192KHz<br />SNR (Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-75348354512235148122012-07-03T09:58:00.289-07:002012-07-03T09:58:00.289-07:00Thanks for the suggestions, I'll have to check...Thanks for the suggestions, I'll have to check out the FA-003/Clones to see if I can find one with velour ear pads as an option.<br /><br />Listening fatigue is definitely important to me... I guess I need to see if there are any stores in the area that have the D770/T70 and any of the other options.<br /><br />Maybe I just need to build a cone of silence and use the HD650s =D<br /><br />The a^2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01418871210867127284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-42753471644047174382012-07-02T10:38:08.381-07:002012-07-02T10:38:08.381-07:00The higher models of the DAC1, such as the Pre tha...The higher models of the DAC1, such as the Pre that I have, use internal gain jumpers for the headphone outputs. The jumpers allow high output, such as some 600 ohm headphones need, and lower output so you don't blow up less headphones and can get the volume control past the first 20%. I'm not sure about the "entry level" DAC1 or other BUF634 gear. The power supply voltages alsoNwAvGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00309644608738074125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-49381805080898964232012-07-01T22:45:50.979-07:002012-07-01T22:45:50.979-07:00@nwavguy - I couldn't have picked a better rev...@nwavguy - I couldn't have picked a better review to read, I love my HD650s for all the reasons that you mentioned in your HD650 review. Basically, I can listen to them forever. I have tried the Westone 4 IEMs and the AKG550s, but they were just tiring to listen to... putting the 650s back on made me feel like I was sitting in a perfectly fitting down easy chair. <br /><br />At any rate, Ia^2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01418871210867127284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-6797797812329051292012-06-21T04:00:04.834-07:002012-06-21T04:00:04.834-07:00@ Jonathan
I've got the same feeling with my ...@ Jonathan<br /><br />I've got the same feeling with my FiiO E17. All notes are just so much more distinctive and easier to distinguish. It feels more refined, effortless, elegant.<br /><br />Isn't it great.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-40786716537021964302012-06-10T19:32:12.037-07:002012-06-10T19:32:12.037-07:00Hello once again, NwAvGuy!
I've missed readin...Hello once again, NwAvGuy!<br /><br />I've missed reading a new blog since digesting the ODAC 'official announcement.' Forgive me; I know the production of your blog is really and truly a gift to humankind from you and not the only facet of your life. Access to such clarity and honesty as represents your blog is addicting, though.<br /><br />I purchased barely used, mint condition JSilversteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08032080151640254480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-83440355950911859532012-06-03T14:27:10.955-07:002012-06-03T14:27:10.955-07:00Thanks! You're the best!
-MarkThanks! You're the best!<br />-MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-28880749406183606272012-06-03T10:51:30.856-07:002012-06-03T10:51:30.856-07:00Yes it does. It has more output, lower distortion,...Yes it does. It has more output, lower distortion, and less noise. The downside is the E11 can only run from battery (you can't use it while it's charging). See my E11 review.NwAvGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00309644608738074125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-29853317150643495022012-06-02T20:00:54.550-07:002012-06-02T20:00:54.550-07:00Thanks. Does the E11 outperform the E7 (as a batt...Thanks. Does the E11 outperform the E7 (as a battery-powered amp) for this application?<br />-MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-5429735963095979402012-06-02T17:45:21.466-07:002012-06-02T17:45:21.466-07:00If you can't afford an O2, I would say the Fii...If you can't afford an O2, I would say the FiiO E11.NwAvGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00309644608738074125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-12808957986230472892012-06-02T00:35:21.468-07:002012-06-02T00:35:21.468-07:00NwAvGuy,
Thanks for these great reviews. What do...NwAvGuy,<br /><br />Thanks for these great reviews. What do you think are the best portable headphone amps for powering the DT 770-80? I'd like to spend around $100 or less on one, but I'm also curious to know what you recommend at a higher price point (I take it you'll say "the O2", for one). Sources will be an iPhone and iPod.<br /><br />Thanks again,<br />MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-88460454928637025112012-05-15T13:00:37.156-07:002012-05-15T13:00:37.156-07:00@Dex, you bring up an interesting point about the ...@Dex, you bring up an interesting point about the soundstage. Anyone who's played with a parametric EQ and created a high Q (narrow) peak or dip in the response is familiar with the change in spatial perception--especially when it's in the midrange. So I suppose that could create sort of an artificial sense of greater "space".<br /><br />But I can also say the HD650 sounds even NwAvGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00309644608738074125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-43878615120518315882012-05-14T09:29:09.065-07:002012-05-14T09:29:09.065-07:00There are bass lite and bass heavy versions of the...There are bass lite and bass heavy versions of the DT770/600. They made a revision somewhere along the way and never said anything about it.<br /><br />That's why the Innerfidelity and Headroom graphs are so different.maverickroninnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-46054726480204957172012-05-13T06:41:56.697-07:002012-05-13T06:41:56.697-07:00One thing the DT770, HD280 and ATH-M50 have in com...One thing the DT770, HD280 and ATH-M50 have in common but the AH-D2000 lacks is that drop around 70-80Hz in the frequency response. I wonder if this is somehow related to the ringing in the 50Hz square wave test chart - by just the looks of it, it doesn't even look like something to be called "ringing" and resembles more of a second attempt at overshooting. Most other headphones Dexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-5695885795952937352012-05-03T13:59:50.932-07:002012-05-03T13:59:50.932-07:00Hello
I've just received my 770 pros-80. Now,...Hello<br /><br />I've just received my 770 pros-80. Now, I've connected them directly with my imac. Will there be a remarkable improvement of quality if I add an AMP/DAC like an E17? Or would you even prefer the cheaper E10? Or nothing?<br /><br />Do you know how much it is for to skirt the onboard sound with a "cheap" AMP/DAC?<br /><br />Thanks for your help!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-80002551592819359142012-04-28T06:14:05.932-07:002012-04-28T06:14:05.932-07:00It's good you're doing your own comparison...It's good you're doing your own comparisons. What ultimately matters to you is what it sounds like you. That goes for all--headphones included. The HD201 is surprisingly good for the price. In some ways I like them better than the five times more expensive HD280. Sennheiser is sadly rather random with their headphones.<br /><br />I think a lot of what makes a good headphone great is how NwAvGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00309644608738074125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-43868591981957805672012-04-28T04:59:18.048-07:002012-04-28T04:59:18.048-07:00It took a while till I had everything together, an...It took a while till I had everything together, and sufficient time to listen to it, due to the holidays.<br /><br />I am surprised how little difference there was when listening to the Xonar's headphone output directly compared to listening through the E5. I even had a chance to try it with the O2 again - but the result was mostly the same. I even tried 32-Ohm cans (the earlier mentioned Gruntynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-70465431626168762342012-04-21T21:32:24.164-07:002012-04-21T21:32:24.164-07:00Thank you, NewAvGuy and Maverickronin,
I now agre...Thank you, NewAvGuy and Maverickronin,<br /><br />I now agree and perhaps understand that the selection of terminal transducers is essentially a subjective process given the variability of the human acoustic system. The individual variability that characterizes us as a species results in an astounding degree of non-uniformity in perception from person to person. Probability is the culprit, JSilversteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08032080151640254480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-3708636755270252062012-04-17T15:17:36.729-07:002012-04-17T15:17:36.729-07:00That kind of thing is relative. Going with headph...That kind of thing is relative. Going with headphones I've owned I'd say that the 770 Pro 80s lack "detail" compared to the HD650s or my modded T50RPs but would exceed the SR80 and XB700.<br /><br />Of course defining "detail" is pretty hard and involves lots of different properties of a headphone. Frequency response affects relative volume and psychoacoustic maskingmaverickroninnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-49601902045425019792012-04-17T12:48:02.515-07:002012-04-17T12:48:02.515-07:00Thank you for your kind response, NwAvGuy! I woul...Thank you for your kind response, NwAvGuy! I would invite opinions from any of my fellow audiophiles (is that still considered an appropriate term)?<br /><br />I was wondering if during your listening sessions with the Beyers, were you ever struck by the perception of inadequacy (a blurring of sharp acoustic edges) or a dearth of "resolving power?" I admit that I don't know what JSilversteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08032080151640254480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-42344599742304889962012-04-16T17:23:49.836-07:002012-04-16T17:23:49.836-07:00That's a really hard question to answer--espec...That's a really hard question to answer--especially when I don't own any Grado headphones. I would suggest others who do (or have) owned both headphones are in a better position to answer your question than I am. <br /><br />I can say the DT770 is far more comfortable than any Grado headphone I've ever tried and has better deep bass. But through the midrange and highs, it will come NwAvGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00309644608738074125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-19385543370666413352012-04-16T16:06:03.398-07:002012-04-16T16:06:03.398-07:00Hi, NwAvGuy!
Hopefully, I may soon have the oppor...Hi, NwAvGuy!<br /><br />Hopefully, I may soon have the opportunity to purchase a set of new cans as an upgrade to my present Grado SR-60s. My electronics will remain an iPod Touch 4G and O2. As I've gratefully commented in previous posts you've kindly published, I believe that I heard, for the first time in nearly forty years of listening, sounds essentially indistinguishable from live JSilversteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08032080151640254480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-61574074297723129962012-04-08T12:15:12.270-07:002012-04-08T12:15:12.270-07:00@Grunty
There's a lot more to a headphone'...@Grunty<br /><br />There's a lot more to a headphone's sound than just the FR.<br /><br />My main full size headphone right now are a modded pair of Fostex T50RPs. They don't have the smoothest frequency response or the lowest distortion but they do have very clean decay (as shown in CSD/waterfall plots) without any sharp ringing at specific frequencies.<br /><br />Any headphone is amaverickroninnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6890046273025265768.post-11358283093449947012012-04-08T09:07:30.439-07:002012-04-08T09:07:30.439-07:00@Grunty, some good questions...
For the reasons ...@Grunty, some good questions... <br /><br />For the reasons mentioned in my new <a href="http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-we-hear.html" rel="nofollow">What We Hear article</a> I think digital EQ and the headphones are the best places to alter the sound to a person's individual tastes. Both are valid methods. If you're bass head it's perfectly valid to buy bass heavy headphonesNwAvGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00309644608738074125noreply@blogger.com